Geoff Allen's Journal, October 2001

My Journal

[ October 1st, 2001 '

A bit more reflecting on what has transpired in the past three weeks or so ... and fleetingly toyed with an old (and some would say VERY scary) notion ... in the aftermath of the WTC events, most of us switch into 'blame mode' (not to mention revenge/retaliation mode) ... I may have recorded this idea elsewhere in this journal in the past but what if there are telepathic aliens who are capable of influencing the thoughts & behviour of humans and they toy with us just for theirown amusement ... can one really then say Bin Laden or the pilots or even Mr George W are 'fully in control of their own actions' ...

Peace Pole project

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'Universe' is re-screening this week ... interesting statement: 'Whenever you drink a glass of water, you are swallowing hydrogen atoms that were created in the very first instant of the big bang' ... :)

There was also an interesting discussion of the various strenghts of the forces in nature and how gravity is by FAR the weakest and one way of 'illustrating' this fact would be to push someone off a tall building - it will take a few seconds for gravity to pull them to earth but only an instant for electromagnetic forces to have a big impact ... the reason we don't fall 'through' things is the existence of thse forces ... :) Kind of reminds me of some of those scenes in the 'Matrix' ...

Speaking of which ... here are some interesting excepts form that Matrix 5 book ... explaining one view of the 'Incarnational levels of progression'

And speaking of laws ... click here - check out the one abt the fake moustache! - I first saw it from that weird site graphic on my front page ... :)

Universe & glass of water ...

A bit more reflecting ... on habits & language ... while all these tribute sites are obviously a far better response than demanding 'bombing them back to the stone age' ... there's still that phrase that surfaces over & over ... 'the people who lost their lives' ... which in itself indicates a belief that physical death is the 'end' ... how would we speak (& grieve?) if we truly saw death as walking through a door ...

Hubble deep field image - check out the 1.5 meg version!

A couple more emails ... about that Sandy McGrogor character and forgiveness versus anger & revenge ... yes, people's anger stems from 2 beliefs (a) Life is intrinsically unfair. That is, the universe is a random & arbitrary (and scary) place where terrible things happen for no good reason and (b) Death is the end of a person's existence. Challenge either (a) or (b) and the anger is less easy to sustain or indulge ...

That reminds me of something Gary Zukav said tha you can't even begin the journey while you believe that life is unfair ...

The reason you don't fall through things

The Living Edens - you couldn't afford to be vulnerable to claustrophia if you was a squirrel in these parts ... :) The photography was stunning ...

Fruit spirit botanical garden - now, this guy IS a character ... :)

{Yes, if you're ever down here in Australia during the school hols, the ABC has some excellent stuff in stark comparison with the mind-numbing drivel one generally sees on the commercial networx ... :)

Another page worth a peek - scroll down to 'spiritual closet :)

... I had been ferreting for that Zukav quote about unfairness ...

... also found this discussion on the general theme of fairness & choices ... and I have at one time or another held most of the various views expressed ... maybe I truly am ONE with all things ... ;)

This page also popped up ...

... and at that same site, in relation to the events of sep 11th ... REGAINING CONSCIOUSNESS - I have read of that story of the 'missing' jailer b4 ...

Speaking of the universe and everything ... click

[ October 2, 2001 '

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Fungus-growing ants

A few more buddhist links

Found this page while hunting for info on Apollo astrnauts & cosmic rays. They reproted flashes of light INSIDE their eyes while out in space beyond the protective layer of earths atomsphere ...

... not a whole LOT of time on the PC today, as you may have surmised ... :)

Today's mantra: "I like reading about all this weird crap. It makes my day."

[ October 3, 2001 '

Heard an interesting tip on radio this mornign about disabling 'active content' in your web browser & in your email program to thwart those pesky & persistent virus writers ... hmmm

Bit of a downturn in energy today after the past week or so. Not an entirely unprecedented phenomenon ... and may just be a coincidink but it comes after listening to Tony Blair talking about how it's now 'certain' Bin Laden's group is the one they're targeting ... did I miss something? how did he go from being prime (and far too obvious) suspect to being absoultely the one ... maybe I am in the middle of some bad Hollywoood movie ... everyone's reactions by & large are as if scripted ... :) ... and it need a re-write badly ... :)

Very little time online again today but a couple of interestin emails I may tell you about sometime ... if you behave ...

hamish2.html

... received recommendation to visit this site - www.openmindopenheart.org - but as yet not done so ... though the name sounds vaguely

{... just checked - it IS mentioned in May 9 journal for 2000 :) }

Stuff 2 checkout next time I'm online -

* Lofoten islands (cruise)

* Light party bridge to the 21st century (& addits to their site in the wake of recent events?)

* Tomaree lookout (& national park)

* film their dreams (from 'Let there be light) ... Helene Fougerolles ...

* Ghosts of the abyss - new 3D images of the Titanic apparently ... they have a website ...

* Great Outdoors {competition this week looks nice}

This page came up from a search of 'soundless sound' ...

... from 'silence is golden' ... & gossip ... click :)

I included a gorgeous photo - click

... plus some 'Zen stories to tell your neighbours' - click :)

more on silence

Lofoten

ditto ditto

Here is that bridge ... along with 'we can heal america' ... and a java 'light show' ... :)

Mandala light show - and some cool didj music ... :)

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Your Recovery Process - from a search for info on that film about dreams ... mentions the Matrix ... :)

Amazing ... tested random linx page and the very first one was a broken link and found its new location - all about the global brain :) ... click

... and his site has a list of responses to sep 11 including this MIND boggling list of questions! - click :)

Today's mantra: "It's hard to be all that fanatical about any particular view or opinion whilst one is contemplating ambiguity & complexity & the interwoveness of all things ..."

[ October 4, 2001 '

World festivals

Yesterdays meanderings reminded me of the sound of the didj which a lot of folks aint so familiar with ...

Didj meditations site

The didj shop

Yes, the genuine article is hollowed by termites :)

... and a lot of my chanting sounds quite reminiscent of the didj. Perhaps i was an Aborigine in a past trip to this planet ... :)

Greetings etc

... I found out that 'Ka kite ano' is the Maori equivalent of 'see you later' ... (alligator)

Interesting compendium - okay, the colours are a bit tough to read, so either (a) paste them into notepad or a word document or go to the 'View' menu and selsect 'source' ... :)

... none of which will make a whole lotta sense if you don't watch the actual show and rememebr the context of the pharses ... :)

Interesting 'proof'

Peace Poem

... tried to shoot it along to the mob but it seems the Random House site is down for the moment ... but then a little while later it's up again and I do post ... and there's some interesting 'stuff' there around 62448 ... :)

Gorgeous images

No coincidink (given recent events & fuctuations?) ... going over some old stuff ... 'if you do lose your way' ... is in this link ... :)

That was when I was hunting for info on 'lost souls' and/or soul fragments ...

Today's mantra: "I used to believe in the federal bending of rules"

[ October 5, 2001 '

Interesting day, one way or another ... more details to follow ...

... and quite timely that in the evening I should flick through some photocopies and read the 'Vice Versa' meditation ... really ought to transcribe it into those Everyday Meditator excerpts ... :)

If I do, scroll down to 'actually you are neither' ...

Looking for a web link to that material, found this page ...

Interesting sculpture page

Take a gander at the size of these pine cones ... I'd hate to be walking underneath a bunya tree during seeding season ... ouch!

Though apparently the nuts are delicious ... :)

Nice backgrounds - something I don't use a whole lot in my pages ...

Scribbly Gum

This page also popped up searching for 'osho meditation angry compassion' ...

Today's mantra: "J"

[ October 6 & 7, 2001 '

***** No online time oct 6 & really didn't miss it ... :)

{I mean human beings did somehow manage to survive for quite a while b4 the wonders of cyberspace ... and videos, tv, vcr, cd, pc ... }

This looks like fun ...

Click on the image to see a bigger picture ... :)

So, sent it along to the crew as well as some Osho ... click

Yes ... 'I don't want to impress you in order to manipulate you. I don't speak for any goal to be achieved through convincing you. I don't speak to convert you into a Christian, into a Hindu or a Mohammedan, into a theist or an atheist - these are not my concerns. My speaking is really one of my devices for meditation. Speaking has never been used this way: I speak not to give you a message, but to stop your mind functioning' ...

... I know just what he means ... :)

click ... from my 'random' link ... esp. 'blocked by some unseen force' ... yes, we do pretty much ASSUME that what has held sway in the past will continue to do so ... :)

The Changing Rules of the Game on Earth

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... and on another of their pages: 'Each of us are being assisted by a number of different beings from different realms. There are those who do not have your best interest at heart and will take advantage of whatever situation that they can' ... hmmm !!

More tidbits on the twin towers - click

{their links page is also extensive ... }

Do cyborgs sleep? (from a search of '261 distinct emotional states' ... :)

Reiki music

Today's mantra: "My belief system consists of three different things"

[ October 8, 2001 '

What is culture?

Paintings from Balgo - yes, watched a doco on artists from this region last night ...

A few more links ... I like the Cranemail Project ... it was the first I clicked on ... :)

Another timely page - clcik

After a couple of emails, I looked up something I'd only glanced at (surprise, surprise) recently ... Transmuting Fear ...

Yes, it's fine to read/meditate etc etc on this 'stuff' but when somebody ELSE is feeling overwhelmed by fear it's anothe matter entirely ... (or anger, despair etc) It's often far harder to 'handle' someone else's pain than your own ...

... and if you don't (yet) have a deep unshakeable inner conviction yourself - and few do - ... like in Emissary of Light, where someone hits the nail on thehead by saying, 'This is what everyone is dying to hear. They've just been waiting for someone to say it with certainty' ...

... all of which gets us back to that stuff about which voice is loudest ... and which one you elect to listen to ... :)

So ... added a couple more linkies to that page abt the WTC memorials ... click

What is the point? :)

Breathing exercises - yep, we don't pay a whole LOT of attention generally to how we breathe ...

... that page also contains a tip on how to 'zap headaches' ... :)

I must remember to actually upload this image ... :) ... cropped from the page of peace messages ...

Hey, guess what ... another interesting message board ... :)

... including one David Icke ... and that PAO site ... in fact quite a list of messages going back to about this time last year ... then when I was glancing over the list while offline ... hmmm this one caught my eye 'Help for those whose light is dimmed by strangeness' ... click :)

... and he only posted the once! ... :)

I'll have to check it out when I'm next online ... 'dimmed by strangeness' ... it has a nice ring to it ... :)

Still offline late in the evening and not drowsy at all after a testing day ... hmmm ... one of the other posts is entitled Interview with God ... I wonder if it's the same link as someone emailed me a while back ... :)

Yes, 386 messages in just over 11 months ... not QUITE as much traffic as some others we've visited ... :)

Today's mantra: "I am the many decisions of the world"

[ October 9, 2001 '

A 'chance' encounter has me feeling like another visit to Ricketts Sanctuary ... :)

Click and scroll down to 'His whole personality is a disguise' ... :) But, again, you have to watch it to fully 'get it' ... :)

From an ACIM links page ... - anothe rhealing offer ...

Check out this page for an image of earth ... along with the 'message' ... :)

I must remember to actually upload this image ... :) ... cropped from the page listed at the above link at www.fourmilab.ch Earth and Moon Viewer ...

Visited an 'old link ... click and read at least the bottom 'paragraph' ...

... and his linx page leads me to ... this gallery called 'splutterfish', which is worth a squiz or 2 ...

In fact, quite an amusing and eclectic collection of links ... including a George W magnetic poetry board, 3-d images of orion, how to be a perfect wife, send a message 50,000 years into the future etc etc ... :)

From the webby awards mentione don that page -

www.do-not-zzz.com

Try this!!

... from a dialectiser page :)

... or this one

Java - click - includes a very rudimentary Othello ... I wonder how the crowd are doing at where was it ... hmmm ... :) The first attempt on the 10 X 10 board saw me victorious 75 to 25 ... but it's an interesting idea ...

Tongue twisters :)

And continuing today's tone of levity ... clcik

In fact I ran out of time ... b4 getting to Psychic Ant Farm on this rather huge links page ... :)

Found you can play that othello offline and in ne game managed a score of 99-1 on a 10 X 10 board ... :)

If you play the edge patterns cleverly and take note that its sole tactic would seem to be to capture the maximum no. of your pieces each move regardless of the tactical soundness of that choice ...

Yes, it's a funny game in that it's often far easier to control when you have only a few men left on the board given that each move 'flips' pieces back & forth ... :)

Today's meditation: "I have not the remotest desire to behave normally" :)

[ October 10, 2001 '

Sent this along to the crew for a laugh ... some of the sites are so downright silly you gotta laugh ... like poke alex in the eye ... :)

... not to mention the quotes from the perfect man ... :)

Brahma Kumaris Australia has a new address ... and guess what ... they have discussion forums ... :) {Not overly patronised, by the look of things today}

Going over those suggestions for the spiritual sanctuary links page ... the basics of ascension ...

www.trymeditation.com is a sister site to BK ...

Handy tip :)

... and an alternate view ...

Light & Life - some interesting galleries, including crop circles, the Urantia book and a whole lotta other stuff .. :)

I must remember to actually upload this image ... :) ... cropped from the can't cry hard enough images ...

Picture of Peace - thanx to Inspiration Peak for emailing me this story prompting me to look it up ... :)

{Here are the other results of that search at Google - click}

So, as i emailed a few people, that file that began its life as simply a copy of the Yahoo list of online WTC memorial sites has just grown & grown ... click

Interesting image - now some cynics might say it could easily be a 'fake' ... :)

That 'psychic ant farm' idea ... I'm finding it a useful meditation tool on many levels ... more details a bit later ...

... it also kinda reminds me of some of the stuff I wrote about budgies in my ERMHA survey :)

Can't cry hard enuf - also from an email today. Originally it was housed here, but they received so much traffic the site couldn't cope! ... though, to be honest I don't think that is the web address I receieved in my mail but I found it via Google ... worth downloading onto your hard drive, IMHO.

Looks like that site has added a few more tributes etc since last I perused it ...

Today's meditation: "Are our moods influenced by the things we do or are the things we choose to do influenced by our mood. Or is it a bit of both. :)"

Following a few of those linx ... Joan Ocean's site ...

Visited quite a number of other places but for once, didn't really jot 'em down ... :)

- most came from that list of wtc sites and/or links on the pages listed ... you know how it is ...

... Global Meditations has quite a few, including Joan's as mentioned earlier ...

[ October 11, 2001 '

I added quite a few MORE links to that page on wtc ... then ...

'The Tao of God' - click - it seems one can read the whole book online at this site ... hmmm :) nice ...

{most of the links came from this page - click}

Another intersting newsletter ... click

Feel like a spot of meditation? ... try ...

As I was walking home from the shops today, I thought about the images of earth I've seen lately and how really until the 1960's or so, NO human had ever seen the earth from space! Either from a satellite or from a man on the moon or from an interplanetary voyager probe or from the space shuttle etc ...

... and I reflected on those satellite views and how really the events of Sept 11 would not 'register' if you were e.g. an alien viewing earth from those satellites. In fact, all you'd see is land, water, clouds ... you'd have to speculate as to even whether life exists on the planet ... :)

They keep coming ... hmmm

Checking out my 'random' page takes me to this page ... anf the '4 relinquishments' ... :)

Another nice gallery

Strolling through a record shop ... CSNY ... their latest offering looks nice :)

click

Lemony Snicket {I have been browsing a few book stores lately, haven't I}

Mad about the creek

Stephanie Outridge ... ah, here are the tiles they mentioned - click

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http://www.internetbumperstickers.com/images/w/wizlives.gif

Also found this interesting collection of Buddhist links that look worthy of exploration - guide to meditating with kids, Zen unbound, tricycle, cybersangha, Thich Nhat Hanh, 10 bulls and that 'Zen stories to tell your neighbours' that we found just the other day ...

And finally in the evening ... that Kryon site is quite impressive graphically ... I gotta laugh when I look back NOT that many years to when I would have absolutely laughed my head off at all this 'channeled' material ... :)

... yes, who was that I recorded off the telly on one of my really old videos (maybe ten years ago) ... Mafu ?? ... and the way he/she answered the skeptics ... something like 'You will never know who or what I am until you know who you are' ... :)

[ October 12, 2001 '

... some broken links on yesterday's page ... quite a few - should email 'em ... :}

... and later in the day, I did just that ... aren't I nice :)

Here's a few of the updated locations -

CyberSangha

Amida Trust

Thich Nhat Hanh search for his poem in audio ...

... eventually led me to Plum Village which has all kinds of stuff

Buddha's message to mankind Tip: for that one, I decided to simply search for the FILENAME, i.e. budd1.htm in Google ... :)

Couldn't quite pin down the location of 'Zen Unbound' but the author has written some neat stuff, eg:

I am retarded

A few more of Tom's atricles - he has a nice tongue-in-cheek style on such matters ... :)

Meditation for absolute beginners - but don't be fooled by the title - some very useful tips can be found on this page ... :)

His struggle is man's struggle :)

So ... added even more to my wtc file ... and I hate to play faves but try this page and listen to the poem reading ... 'please call me by my true names' ... click

... found it mainly because of the broken links at that Buddhist links page :) and the fact that the audio link at another site was faulty (for the moment) ... :)

... in fact felt moved to post it as 62829 ... :)

... and to the lightworker board also ...

Then this - click

... and this page has a mind-boggling collection of stuff! - click

Going over yeaterdday's additions ... yes, one is a channeling of the spirit of doubting Thomas ... now THERE is something I can relate to! :) ... click - note: after November 2001, it will most likely reside in the 'past newsletters' section ...

Where does it end?

Oh yes, later in the day, we found a rather large & comprehensive page abt Thich Nhat Hahn - click

... the 'Embracing Anger' audio & transcipt is well worth checking out ...

Checking out a few of those random buddhist sites, it seems as if Dharma The Cat has a book out - click

Speaking of broken links, it seems I have a few of my own ... esp in the Dalai Lama page ... shows how long since I checked em out - click

click - interesting page with an acronym for fear -
False
Evidence
Appearing
Real

... :)

Oh, plus ... guess what ... another ... BOOK! :)

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Another newsletter - click

And to end a huge day ... www.cwgactionaustralia.asn.au is up and running ...

... well, not quite the end of the day's online time as a friendly glitch means I surf well past midnight ... :)

... and add several new perspectives to that WTC page ...

... in fact everything from 'wtc mourning' down to 'national book of remembrance' was added today (if you extend today till well past midnite)

The agony & ecstasy

Terrible truth about truth

fabulous images - 100 of em ... :)

The Calm Centre

Today's mantra: "I want to work my life into another thruggling mixture"

[ October 13, 2001 '

These are a few more of the sites from last night's marathon session ... :)

Random article - click

Nice sunsets

Gerardus Grist has moved ??

Many Paths

what's this?

Ah ... it was no glitch :) ... I vaguely recall my ISP has a policy that if you're online near midnite, you can stay connected and eat into the next day's allotted time ... in the end I had to actually force myself to disconnect around 3 AM! :)

www.projectmind.org

The Walk of the Hawk

Walk with anger

Gallery at Ocean eyes news

Going to pieces without falling apart

List of Questions?

Beyond Life & Death

The nitty-gritty of nirvana

Another Thurman page

More Thurman links

Break out of the box

Heartbeat 2000

Psychotherapy and spirituality are converging - yes, the eternal question of whether any particular individual is a saint or a lunatic ...

Interesting image

All Your Prayers are Answered - cached copy after yet another broken link ... what WOULD we do without Google ... :)

Huge list of bookmarks from a NZ school

In a real funny mood - take absolute pot luck - click - only 'downloaded' a portion of the file ... with thousands of messages, it could be ginormous ... :)

... and obviously one could TYPE in any number higher than 41110.html to see how many ... I may do that one of these days ... :)

... a quick search shows it goes at least as high as 47777 ...

... which would make a full directory list well over 2 megs in HTML format! ... :)

Oh yes, the reason for that page comes from This page, which is amongst those Dalai Lama links - 'a new perspective on the enemy' ... rather timely! So the message board has been entirely re-vamped since that was posted just 14 months or so ago ...

Also a bit of pot luck - click :)

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Interesting comp :)

A couple of emails - may sumarise the gist in here?? (BTW, if you think I am a tad obsessive on some things, checkout this HUGE list of personal correspondence - click ... you could spend the rest of eternity reading through it all ... :)

Oh yes, from those emails - an enquiry abt telescopes and how we never quite got around to purchasing one despite the location at 'Muskview' ... anyway, click here for some impressive looking astronomy software called 'Starry Night Backyard edition' ... and a free version I may download next time ... but you know me ... :)

I broke the covenant of the keys ... same episode as 'Do you yearn?' ... :)

Chainsaw sculpture of an eagle

Still in a somewhat silly mood - click - not alleviated by watching Mr. Bean on the telly ... ;)

A slightly more sophisticated Othello applet :)

Today's mantra: "I don't always make sense. Sometimes I choose not to make sense deliberately."

[ October 14, 2001 '

Ah yes, also from yesterday's emails ... Elias addresses that question a few people bin askin ... Why did the World Trade Centre Event occur?

That site has a download area - audio of the 'sessions' would be most interesting ... :)

Also mentioned some lesser-known Gibran, such as The Madman {again, the old link was broken - thank God fro Google again}

... lemme see, what else ... ah yes, those quotes from the 'perfect man' ... :)

... plus that book 'Re-member' over at Steve Rother's site - click ... esp the editor's intro!

... plus schizophrenia and channeling ... parallel universes ... the great shift ... the usual ... :)

Sent this

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Nice spot to visit (if you're ever down this way, that is)

Brooke Medicine Eagle ... from one of the links at the 'prophets reading room', which I recently included into my wtc file ...

Forgot to record all the places I visited today ... no worries ... a couple were added to guess where ...

Emailed the website where that interesting (sounding) page had been included amongst the Dharma the Cat links ... what am I yammering about? Click here and scroll down to something like "the journey from no self-esteem to no-self esteem" ... anyway it turns out to be a broken link ... and the nice person at the website sent a PDF version to me. So if it piques your curiosity as much as it did mine ... you could do likewise

... I'm offline just now as I type theses words, but there are a couple of things to have a search of next time - Sabbasava Sutta & Majjhima Nikaya ... very similar, one would imagine, to that stuff from Lama Yeshe {email me if that link aint live - they have been known to re-arrange their site & filenames}

{I checked it myself and ended up having to use Google to search for 'Buddhist mental illness yeshe' to find it again}

Sabbasava Sutta - all the fermentaions that arise within the mind :)

The Majjhima Nikaya

Soul Man

... and moore :)

I'll never forget this post

Downloaded 'Starry Night' and stayed online after midnite again ...

wow! are there a COUPLE of webrings that have sprung up due to sep 11th ... click

Plus the Ring of the White Dove ... which includes a familiar face from the 'Heal Normality' board - click :)

... I hadn't heard of the 'diversity' webring b4 ... glad I visited ... :)

More rings :)

Global Projects - some cute java images along with 'deeper' stuff ... :)

Another broken link - email him? it was a nice site ...

Alex Grey has some new images - wow!

Relocated that elk photo - ditto!

Memorial Gallery - about 433 images as of Oct 14th

Today's mantra: "I used to believe in all the political dollars of the world"

[ October 15, 2001 '

From one of yesterday's emails - on the subject of 'weirdness' - and how we all TRULY believe it exists ... but like beauty or normality ... it's justa construct of the machinations of our busy minds ... :)

Plus something about 'letting everybody of every hook' ... :)

... and more random dialogue: "Of course I'm a nut! Only the frightened and the unimaginative stay normal."

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"You don't actually need ANY advice but if you are going to listen to advice, don't bother listening to people who are solemn and joyless because they are also clueless ..."

9, 1, 6, 9, 7, -2, -2 ...

Quantum Experience

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What is true? - an interesting page!

Their 'But God' page looks worth a read also ... some gorgeous images at least ... :)

Speaking of which ... Wholeness of Awareness is fairly stimulating optically as well ... :)

Chapel Tibet - heaps of neat stuff on this site

What I learn by listening to myself

What is death?

The genetic joke

The Golden Way

Fabulous page ... I keep findin em ...

Channeled links

Awakening to the Experience of "WE"

Seeing God in yourself and others ...

Today's mantras: "I want to know why my life is so strange"

"I used to think about the dollars in my pocket"

"I used to believe in the federal smoothness of the lifetimes"

A Celestial Biography

Fear is our Enemy - Chaos is our Friend

{again it was a broken link but I searched the actual filename ...}

Spiritual Planet

Discover your planetary origin ... people have ALWAYS told me that I must be from another planet :)

Transformation Webring - quite a few of the above came from this page or from subsequent linx pages ...

Recipe for Bliss - another free e-book via the email ...

... I seem 2 recall someone mentioning Kriya Yoga at the Forum a while back ... along with other stuff ...

Today, while doing my shopping, I read over one of the photocopies I currently have lurking in one of the flaps of my rucksack ... click

... yes, just IMAGINE how MUCH difference that view would make to all the heated debates and 'exchanges of opinion' going on in the world ... :)

... all that energy being poured into trying to persuade or convince another that your way of seeing things is somehow superior to theirs ... and honestly, in my ENTIRE life, I can't honestly recall even ONE instance where I have heard somebody say, "Hey, you're right. Your opinion really is better than mine. Thanks for enlightening me!"

Also scribbled down some stuff while waiting for a bus ... (as a kind of 'summary' of the forum??)

The story so far ...
At some unspecified date, somebody said something about something or other. Then somebody else agreed with what had been said while others said that they disagree with it. Some other people said they niether agreed nor disagreed.
Some of those who said that they disagreed with what had been said got very worked up and tried to use any means they could dream up in order to try to persuade others around to their point-of-view. This failed, as it always does.
Then something else happened ...
:)

Another Elias - or the same one ??