To unsub from this list, please send an email to: CWGConversations-unsubscribe@egroups.com On-line reading guides for Conversations with God, Books 1, 2 & 3: http://www.geocities.com/madamesansnom/WeeklyList.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest:       1. SEND THY PEACE            From: "Dr. Susanne Freeborn" <revsusannefreeborn@home.com>       2. TIMELY WORDS FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.            From: "Dr. Susanne Freeborn" <revsusannefreeborn@home.com>       3. Re: The Moment of Reckoning.            From: "Kaj Sotala" <Tspro@Nettilinja.fi>       4. From THE LITTLE SOUL AND THE SUN            From: "Rev. Dr. Susanne Freeborn" <revsusannefreeborn@home.com>       5. Re: Re: The Moment of Reckoning.            From: axeme4@aol.com       6. Re: The Moment of Reckoning.            From: axeme4@aol.com       7. Re: Digest Number 858            From: ibbusy247@aol.com       8. Re: The Moment of Reckoning.            From: "Aldolls" <aldolls@bellsouth.net>       9. Re: Re: The Moment of Reckoning.            From: "Aldolls" <aldolls@bellsouth.net> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:21:49 -0700    From: "Dr. Susanne Freeborn" <revsusannefreeborn@home.com> Subject: SEND THY PEACE Send Thy peace, O Lord, which is perfect and everlasting that our souls, may radiate peace. Send Thy Peace, O Lord, that we may think, act, and speak harmoniously. Send Thy peace, O Lord, that we may be contented and thankful for Thy bountiful gifts. Send Thy peace, O Lord, that amidst our worldly strife we may enjoy Thy bliss Send Thy peace, O Lord, that we may endure all, tolerate all in the thought of Thy grace and mercy. Send Thy peace, O Lord, that our lives may become a divine vision, and in Thy light all darkness may vanish. Send Thy peace, O Lord, our Father and Mother, That we Thy children on earth may all unite in one family --Hazrat Inayat Khan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:21:13 -0700    From: "Dr. Susanne Freeborn" <revsusannefreeborn@home.com> Subject: TIMELY WORDS FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. TIMELY WORDS FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. “And I say to you, I have also decided to stick to love.  For I know that love is ultimately the only answer to mankind's problems.  And I'm going to talk about it everywhere I go.  I know it isn't popular to talk about it in some circles today.  I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I talk about love, I'm talking about a strong, demanding love.  And I have seen too much hate.  I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs in the South.  I've seen hate on the faces of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens Councilors in the South to want to hate myself, because every time I see it, I know that it does something to their faces and their personalities and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear.  I have decided to love. If you are seeking the highest good, I think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing is that we are moving against wrong when we do it, because John was right, God is love.  He who hates does not know God, but he who has love has the key that unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality  What I'm saying to you this morning is that communism forgets that life is individual.  Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis.  It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both.  Now, when I say question the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together.  These are the triple evils that are interrelated. Difficult and painful as it is, we must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious faith in the future.  When our days become dreary with low-hovering clouds of despair, and when our nights become darker than a thousand midnights, let us remember that there is a creative force in this universe, working to pull down the gigantic mountains of evil, a power that is able to make a way out of no way and transform dark yesterdays into bright tomorrows.  Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.  Let us realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: 'Truth crushed to earth will rise again.’  Let us go out realizing that the Bible is right: 'Be not deceived, God is not mocked.  Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.’  This is for hope for the future, and with this faith we will be able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow with a cosmic past tense, 'We have overcome, we have overcome, deep in my heart, I did believe we would overcome.” God blesses us always and in all ways, Love, Susanne "It is our duty - as men and women - to behave as though limits to our ability do not exist. We are co-creators of the Universe." Pierre Teilhard de Chardin Please visit these web sites: http://www.EmersonCenter.org <http://www.emersoncenter.org/> http://www.EmersonOnlineStudies.org <http://www.emersononlinestudies.org/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:44:46 +0300    From: "Kaj Sotala" <Tspro@Nettilinja.fi> Subject: Re: The Moment of Reckoning. >I >imagine also how we can retaliate against the people who >have done their ungodly deeds against a nation that is >indivisible under God. While I have no wish to offend you, I'd like to point out a few things. I believe it was in Book 2 of Conversation With God where it said that no human who does evil deeds considers himself to be evil - either he is doing what seems to be right from his point of view, or then he (with purpose or not) just suppresses any doubts he might have about how justified this action might be. Now, the question we need to ask is: what could justify this sort of a terrible action, and how could anybody think that he was doing this for a good cause? While it definitely is understandable and I can't blame then, most Americans are responding to this the totally wrong way - seeing it as an attack that must be avenged, while in reality it is a desperate attempt to get the country's attention to problems that they have caused. Every attack is a cry for help. Some people think that this attack was done by the Palestinans. Using them as an example, here's a message I saw posted on another mailing list: Nigel McCarty-Eigenmann wrote:   think yourself palestinian:   you were forcable colonised by foreigners who are kept there on the best   land in the region, by a country you only barely appreciate as real.  the   first question you have to ask yourself - why?   What have we done to these people that they invade us and take our land and   holy places?   Why have they put the biggest thieves into government and backed them to   stay there? [Iran, Iraq, Saudia]   What can we do?  Fight?  with what army?  when we fight on the streets we   are dragged into holding cells and tortured or shot.  when we rally for aid   the world ignores us.  so we do what we can - we bomb since no one listens.   we have 50 years of abuse and repression that israel has done because they   can and noone is stopping them.  only america can - so who must we hurt -   america.  make them feel our suffering.  make them feel our pain.  [any   arguements - see Amnesty internationals web page, the Times et al.] How would *you* react if a powerful country on the other side of the globe tried to force-feed you their values, their culture, and their way of living like the US has been doing to some of the nations in the Middle East? Since the media has been bringing up Pearl Harbor as an example, let me draw another paralell to that event: Pearl Harbor was a response from Japan after the U.S. had been pushing them around, supporting Chinese troops (who were in war with Japan), banning trade there, and never giving a clear response to Japan's attempts of settling their differences. In a way, Pearl Harbor was an armed response to a situation that the Americans refused to settle by diplomatic means, not a first strike. And while I have absolutely no support for terrorism of any kind, it should be noted that the U.S. isn't exactly a nation of saints, either. Some Palestinans were seen celebrating on the streets after hearing of this event. Maybe that's because they were thinking like this: "Good, now the U.S. has experienced a real terrorist attack - maybe they'll now understand better what's happening to us every day." I'd like to say this again: while I can't accept the murder of innocent people any more than you do, and I certainly don't want to offend you, I just wanted to point out that nothing is as black and white as it might seem at the first glance. This was an attempt to get the people to listen, the only way that somebody thought was strong enough to get the people's attention - that's the way with most terrorist attacks. Don't let that message to go in vain, or all those people in WTC died for nothing. "People try nonviolence for a week, and when it 'doesn't work,' they go back to violence, which hasn't worked for centuries."-- Theodore Roszak "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."--Mahatma Gandhi ICQ 18051088/AIM Xuenay/MSN Xuenay@Hotmail.com

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________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:10:00 -0000    From: "Rev. Dr. Susanne Freeborn" <revsusannefreeborn@home.com> Subject: From THE LITTLE SOUL AND THE SUN From THE LITTLE SOUL AND THE SUN ----a parable. "You may choose to be any Part of Me you wish to be,"  GOD said to the Little Soul.  "You are Absolute Divinity, experiencing Itself.  What Aspect of Divinity do you now wish to experience as You?" "You mean I have a choice?" asked the Little Soul.  And GOD answered, "Yes.  You may choose to experience any Aspect of Divinity in, as, and through you!" "OK," said the Little Soul, "then I choose FORGIVENESS. I want to experience my Self as that Aspect of GOD called Complete Forgiveness." Well, this created a little challenge, as you can imagine. "There is no one to forgive.  All I have created is Perfection and Love," GOD said.  "No one to forgive?" asked the Little Soul, somewhat incredulously.  "No one," GOD repeated.  "Look around you. Do you see any souls less perfect, less wonderful than you?" At this, the Little Soul twirled around, and was surprised to see himself surrounded by all the souls in Heaven.  They had come from far and wide throughout the Kingdom, because they heard that the Little Soul was having an extaordinary conversation with GOD. "I see none less perfect than I!"  the Little Soul exclaimed. "Who, then, shall I have to forgive?" Just then, another soul stepped forward from the crowd. "You may forgive me, " said this Friendly soul. "For what?" the Little Soul asked. "I will come into your next physical lifetime and do something for you to forgive," replied the Friendly Soul. "But what?  What could you, a being of such Perfect Light, do to make me want to forgive you?" the Little Soul wanted to know. "Oh," smiled the Friendly Soul, "I'm sure we can think of something." "But why would you want to do this?" The Little Soul could not figure out why a being of such utter perfection would want to slow down its vibration so much that it could actually do something "bad". "Simple," the Friendly Soul explained, "I would do it because I love you.  You want to experience your Self as FORGIVING don't you?  Besides, you've done the same for me." "I have?" asked the Little Soul. "Of course. Don't you remember?  We've been All Of It, you and I.  We've been the Up and the Down of It, and the Left and the Right of It.  We've been the Here and the There of It, and the Now and the Then of It.  We've been the Big and the Small of It, the Male and the Female of it, the Good and the Bad of It.  We've all been the All of It!! "And we've done it by agreement, so that each of us might experience ourselves as the Grandest Part of GOD. For we have understood that..."In the absense of 'cold,' you cannot be 'warm.'  In the absense of 'sad,' you cannot be 'happy,' without a thing called 'evil,' the experience you call 'good' cannot exist. "If you choose to be a thing, something or someone opposite to that has to show up somewhere in your universe to make that possible." The Friendly Soul then explained that those people are GOD's Special Angels, and these conditions are GOD's Gifts. "I ask only one thing in return," the Friendly Soul declared. "Anything! Anything," the Little Soul cried.  He was excited now to know that he could exprience every Divine Aspect of GOD.  He understood, now, The Plan. "In the moment that I strike you and smite you," said the Friendly Soul, "in the moment that I do the worst to you that you could ever imagine---in that self same moment....remember WHO I Really Am." "Oh, I won't forget!" promised the Little Soul.  "I will see you in the perfection with which I hold you now, and I will remember  Who You Are, always." The promise of the Little Soul is the promise GOD makes to you and me.  That is unchanging.  I wonder....have we, GOD's Little Souls, kept this promise to others?  If you saw you and your fellow man the way GOD sees you and your fellow man, you would smile alot.  An awful lot.  So go now...I pray thee and see each other as WHO WE REALLY ARE! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:15:58 EDT    From: axeme4@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: The Moment of Reckoning. In a message dated 9/13/2001 12:01:51 PM Central Daylight Time, aldolls@bellsouth.net writes: > We are enslaved by > fossil fuels and until we shed those bonds, anyone can cripple us, and our > water and air and soil will continue to deteriorate!  All it takes is one > squeaky wheel and then another and then another!!! > the only thing that can cripple us is our fear. i'm comforted to see through all of this that their really is very little of that. we are being shown who we are and responding wisely. i'm quite proud of our species right now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:28:57 EDT    From: axeme4@aol.com Subject: Re: The Moment of Reckoning. In a message dated 9/13/2001 1:55:09 PM Central Daylight Time, Tspro@Nettilinja.fi writes: > While I have no wish to offend you, I'd like to point out a few things. > > I believe it was in Book 2 of Conversation With God where it said > that no human who does evil deeds considers himself to be evil - > either he is doing what seems to be right from his point of view, or > then he (with purpose or not) just suppresses any doubts he > might have about how justified this action might be. Now, the > question we need to ask is: what could justify this sort of a > terrible action, and how could anybody think that he was doing > this for a good cause? > > While it definitely is understandable and I can't blame then, most > Americans are responding to this the totally wrong way - seeing > it as an attack that must be avenged, while in reality it is a > desperate attempt to get the country's attention to problems that > they have caused. Every attack is a cry for help. > > Some people think that this attack was done by the Palestinans. > Using them as an example, here's a message I saw posted on > another mailing list: > > Nigel McCarty-Eigenmann wrote: >   think yourself palestinian: > >   you were forcable colonised by foreigners who are kept there on the best >   land in the region, by a country you only barely appreciate as real.  the >   first question you have to ask yourself - why? >   What have we done to these people that they invade us and take our land > and >   holy places? >   Why have they put the biggest thieves into government and backed them to >   stay there? [Iran, Iraq, Saudia] >   What can we do?  Fight?  with what army?  when we fight on the streets we >   are dragged into holding cells and tortured or shot.  when we rally for > aid >   the world ignores us.  so we do what we can - we bomb since no one > listens. >   we have 50 years of abuse and repression that israel has done because they >   can and noone is stopping them.  only america can - so who must we hurt - >   america.  make them feel our suffering.  make them feel our pain.  [any >   arguements - see Amnesty internationals web page, the Times et al.] > > How would *you* react if a powerful country on the other side of the > globe tried to force-feed you their values, their culture, and their way > of living like the US has been doing to some of the nations in the > Middle East? Since the media has been bringing up Pearl Harbor as > an example, let me draw another paralell to that event: Pearl Harbor > was a response from Japan after the U.S. had been pushing them > around, supporting Chinese troops (who were in war with Japan), > banning trade there, and never giving a clear response to Japan's > attempts of settling their differences. In a way, Pearl Harbor was an > armed response to a situation that the Americans refused to settle > by diplomatic means, not a first strike. And while I have absolutely no > support for terrorism of any kind, it should be noted that the U.S. > isn't exactly a nation of saints, either. > > Some Palestinans were seen celebrating on the streets after hearing > of this event. Maybe that's because they were thinking like this: > "Good, now the U.S. has experienced a real terrorist attack - maybe > they'll now understand better what's happening to us every day." > > I'd like to say this again: while I can't accept the murder of innocent > people any more than you do, and I certainly don't want to offend you, > I just wanted to point out that nothing is as black and white as it > might seem at the first glance. This was an attempt to get the people > to listen, the only way that somebody thought was strong enough to > get the people's attention - that's the way with most terrorist attacks. > Don't let that message to go in vain, or all those people in WTC died > for nothing. > STANDING OVATION!!!!! i've been saying exactly the same thing to friends who are ready to throw all our weaponry at a group of people that, once again, our government has made us believe is the enemy. for any american that has never lived as a palestinian to condemn them for what they've done is the deadly face of ignorance. we're not always right just because we're americans. if we don't know that by now, we're in truly deep poop. our government started terrorizing native americans, went on to african americans, then when we got the technology we started interfering in affairs overseas and in latin america. the whole time telling us it was to protect our freedom. i've never felt that my freedom was ever threatened but i guess i see my freedom as something within me that can never be taken away. it is who i am... i choose peace [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7    Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:04:19 EDT    From: ibbusy247@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 858 Thank you Neale for the wonderful and inspiring words of wisdom...I was starting to think I was the only one who felt the same way that you wrote in CWG Groups! Everyone seems to want to attack back and what will that accomplish?  I only hope that the President will make a rational and spiritful decision on how to deal with this catastrophe.       May the spirit of love fill you all...love  to all Renee ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:22:13 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)    From: "Aldolls" <aldolls@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: The Moment of Reckoning. -------Original Message------- STANDING OVATION!!!!! Yes, yes, and again, I say yes!!!  We certainly need to look at how we treat others!  There are no victims and no villains and everything that happened Tuesday was choreographed by us all.  Acts of love and heroism and compassion are constantly pouring forth from our people as well as the other countries of the world.  FAA has finally gotten off their "arses" and are demanding tighter security at our airports.  (BTW, FAA is notorious for waiting until people are killed before they mandate anything. ) People are giving of themselves and reaching out to be the best they can be. We have lots of faults, but our system of government is still the best the world has known.  We have built in "checks and balances" to keep a President from losing his head and declaring war on his own.  We have the ACLU as a watchdog to protect our freedoms.  We have some great systems in place and some truly idiotic ones in place.  Americans are sometimes slow on the uptake and we may not always act as though we are the sharpest knife in the drawer, and we can fight tooth and nail with our own countrymen, but we show grit and fortitude and a "won't stay down" attitude and a togetherness unrivaled; indeed, many could look at us for insight.  If we agree on nothing else, we agree on freedom and we do take it for granted.  I think that may be why we are not liked very much in some circles . . . we are like a kid in a candy store assuming the candy is equally available to every other kid . . . we may not always show sensitivity but it is because we view things differently.  We do not mean to show disrespect . .  . we do not see that we are being disrespectful . . . we speak our minds not fully understanding that others just may not have that right.  Like the bull in the China shop, we do not realize that we are bumping into and maybe breaking things!  For a country our age, we are acting like typical pre-teens . . . exuberant and full of life and wondering how come the world is not as excited as we are!! Americans have the grit it takes to get on a ship and come half way around the world and expect this new pasture to be better than what we left behind. We do not have any notion that it will be anything other than what we expect.  And the freedom to do that is what we have and will die defending. But I do not believe nor practice that we can do no wrong. It ain't perfect and it needs fixing in many places and we need to go within and find our true light.  Only in doing that can we all, Americans and non-Americans, find the love it will take to co-create a more loving and respectful world. I would greatly enjoy some really serious and meaningful conflict resolution in this matter ~ ~ ~ what a legacy that would be for future generations!!! namaste, Mary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9    Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:46:19 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)    From: "Aldolls" <aldolls@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Re: The Moment of Reckoning. Sorry . . . I did not put it right so that it could be understood!  What I was trying to convey is our obscene extrvagance and the need to be less dependent, less wasteful, more mindful of what this planet gives us and stop killing her.   Of course, if we choose to just ignore what we are doing and take no responsibility for global warming, polluted waters, 50% less nutritive value of our crops, feeding 1 cow 8 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat, reducing our growing soil from an average of 3 feet, when we first landed here, to an average of only 3 inches, cutting down trees so we can waste them on paper and other paper products instead of growing hemp that is far more environmentally and economically sound, and harnessing solar energy for our technological needs, then we miss the boat.  I used the word "fear" loosely and for that I apologize for I know that fear is an illusion . . . so is death.  So is this planet but I just happen to enjoy it here and I will miss it if all we can do is talk and contemplate.  Grief is an illusion too but I feel the pain of these family members.  I know it is an illusion; they do not know and the illusion is all too real as is the fear.  I do appreciate you noticing and bringing my attention to that word, fear!  In someone elses reality, fear is all too present.  They neither know nor see the light right now and, if per chance, they do see a light at the end of a tunnel, for them, it just might be a speeding train!  Thankfully and, and Blessed Be, there are so many who are showing others a light. . . and I am grateful and warmed by it.  Our energy is still needed to encompass this planet with love and peace and compassion . .  . and leave the fear out of the equation.  Thank you for your response! namaste, Mary -------Original Message------- From: CWGConversations@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 04:58:32 PM To: CWGConversations@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CWGConversations] Re: The Moment of Reckoning. In a message dated 9/13/2001 12:01:51 PM Central Daylight Time, aldolls@bellsouth.net writes: > We are enslaved by > fossil fuels and until we shed those bonds, anyone can cripple us, and our > water and air and soil will continue to deteriorate!  All it takes is one > squeaky wheel and then another and then another!!! > the only thing that can cripple us is our fear. i'm comforted to see through all of this that their really is very little of that. we are being shown who we are and responding wisely. i'm quite proud of our species right now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsub from this list, please send an email to: CWGConversations-unsubscribe@egroups.com On-line reading guides for Conversations with God, Books 1, 2 & 3: http://www.geocities.com/madamesansnom/WeeklyList.htm Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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